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TOPIC: 'They said go West'...The Harley & Ferry parallel

'They said go West'...The Harley & Ferry parallel 2 years 2 weeks ago #13212

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I feel like the time is right, to add one more ‘reply’ in this series. I’m quite happy for anyone to add anything to it (within ‘the rules’, naturally) at any time – only that might stimulate me into further comment under my thread here. This last original entry has two sources of inspiration, the thread itself and the comments I recently added to the LAY ME DOWN thread, originated by Stephanie and particularly, Stella’s comments therein:

www.steveharley.com/forum/6-general-disc...me-down.html?start=6

Harley said (in 2015), something to the effect that he might be out of work (purely as a guitarist – he considers himself ‘an average rhythm guitarist’) were he not, the leader of his band. For years, Ferry described himself as a ‘non musician’. They are each (in my view) very good harmonica players, which is another parallel.


I’ve spent about half of my career to date, in professional life (mainly quantity surveying and quasi-legal procedure). The other half, to date, has been made up of a collection of other, sometimes random, jobs and there have been a couple of times of recession, when it’s been harder to make a living. Whenever I’ve ‘hit’ one of the difficult periods (particularly since Sasha bought me the Yamaha keyboard c. 2006 – there was a period post the 2008 global financial meltdown and one could argue 2023 - although I’m now old enough for it to matter a bit less to me, at least), I’ve turned to music, to ‘balance out’, the less cerebral ways, I was making a living. This sounds a bit like the ‘punk philosophy’. For anyone, to ‘find their voice’.

When I ‘hit’ my fifties, was one such time and there was the added element of a minor mid-life crisis! I began working (physically) with other Europeans (mainly Poles as well as English, Hungarians and a couple of Germans) in a women’s clothes distributor and we’d often talk about popular music during breaks (or trips to and from home).

Totally unconnected with my next words – I doubt if it wasn’t for Ferry (the elder) and Harley (the slightly younger) – I’d have ever tried to play keys. As I stated under the LAY ME DOWN thread, I was never destined and I’m quite content with that (honestly).

As my tribute to Harley and Ferry, I want to leave an arrangement of written chords (no top line melody) from which I made a ballad type backing track of about tempo 70bpm (quite slow) but when I was looking at more unusual chords. I put these together, less than three months before my own Dad died and I can empathise with Steve about his, more recent loss, in that sense.

Steve could tell me whether these make any musical sense or not – though he doesn’t need to, of course, but he would be welcome to ‘play around’ with them, or some of them, should he so wish. After that list of chords, (in 2020, during lockdown), I put a bit of verse together, inspired by Harley, by Ferry (The Psychomodo, Harley, 1974 and In Your Mind, Ferry, et al, 1977) and also a small part of my current science studies. Stay well, stay your way, and all the best, Jem H (aka ’75):

The chord arrangement (H, J, 2012):

D7 sus4 - D7 - D7sus4 - D7
F7 - A7 - C7 - D7
D7 sus4 - D7 - G - F

G7 (9)

D7 sus4 - D7 - D7sus4 - D7
F - F6 - Dm - D7
D7 - D7sus4 - D7 - D7sus4

D7



THE PSYCHO-MODUS (H, J, 2020-24):

The developmental, the interpersonal,
Friends, colleagues, lovers, family.

The good,
The bad,
The not me.

Civilisation and its discontents,
Attachment to each,
Interpersonal psychiatry.

Oh Freud, Oh Sullivan, Oh Ainsworth,
Were you all, right?


The good,
The bad,
The not me.

Clinical, educational,
Applied, forensic,
Neuro, occupational,
This is DE100,
Psychology.

The Future Time Perspective,
Is no reason to rush a headstone,
Nor carve a cornerstone,
Wow, this module has flown.

It’s the ‘right-stuff’ that counts,
The ‘left field’ that stimulates,
The left and right hemispheres,
And everything in between.

This is the neuro authority,
It speaks to us all,
How to behave and survive.

Shaping every personality,
Holistic, human,
and in other minds.



www.steveharley.com/forum/7-welcome-mat/...kney-rebel-1973.html


12 Feb 25 - Thoughts on my other thread (link below), led me to think that an alternative title for 'The Psycho-Modus' might be 'The Neurotic' (or even, 'Mr Neuroses'). The lyrics could also move from the psychological dogma I have written, to the more personal - perhaps more in the first person, rather than as detached learning, perhaps more in the vein of from the perspective of a 'Mr Soft' (Harley, 1974) or a 'Mr Raffles' (Harley, 1975). Something for me to think about and maybe work on, in my retirement(!) and as a bit of fun/hobby (for me, that is - for Harley, well he was good enough to make it HIS way of life "It's what I do" (Harley)...and didn't he do it well?! X

www.steveharley.com/forum/5-forum-questi...-still-in-music.html

11 April 2025 (edits 13th and 19th) - With further reference to my prose-lyric, if there was a legitimate bridge between the work of Sigmund Freud (1856-1939) and Harry Stack Sullivan, 1892-1949 (possibly even Mary Ainsworth, 1913-1999), then for me it would be Alfred Adler (1870-1937). He is probably as important as the other three.

His writings following his break with Freud in 1911, expanded on his 'Individual Psychology', from 1911 until the mid 1920's at least. Carl Jung, (1875-1961) broke from Freud a couple of years after Adler. I admire Jung for his intellect and his 'persona' concept but I find his views the most extreme from my four other favourites - more difficult to grasp in terms of a single movement or collective theory. Freud and Jung, nevertheless, have probably had the greatest overall influence, whilst in 'opposing camps'. Freud and Jung were the closest however, with their championing of the unconscious.

Some of Adler's concepts - individual style of life - birth order (siblings) - feelings of inferiority and hopefully, striving towards a goal of totality, of superiority - or, POWER. In my view, between Adler and Freud, they identified the major drives i.e. (self) preservation of the organism, sex - including reproduction of the organism, power (however this is ideal for the individual - her or his own totality) and social ties.

Where he got, in my view, closest to Freud he maintained, "Sexuality and all the sexual varieties and attitudes are also dominated by the style of life". Where he got closest to Sullivan and at the same time Ainsworth (from a spoiled child perspective), "When left alone they develop anxiety, an intelligent function, in order to be joined with the mother". My (layman) view is that this could be extended to either parent (I think Freud also referred to this?) Anyway, with Freud, Sullivan and Ainsworth, to me, his views are credible.

Adler and Sullivan were also close with their considered importance of 'correct' sociability. Steve Harley, when developing this very site with his IT people, really thought about the social aspects of this Forum and gave us an opportunity to express ourselves in the public domain - one in which we shared a common (big) interest!


This may be the last time I add anything to these forums - unless something written by another Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel fan, sparks more thoughts of mine. I'm so glad I made sure I saw and heard him (and of course, Cockney Rebel) again on 19 December 2022 and I wanted that Timeless Flight to continue and Steve did his best in that regard. Finally, I thank him again.

My very best to the Harley (Nice) family, all the band members and theirs, the managers of this excellent site and to fellow fans and theirs, of this following - especially those I have had direct dialogue with - and anyone who has read any of my (101 forum) posts.

Quick parallel(s) - in early 1979, Roxy Music released the album 'Manifesto'. In mid 1979, Steve Harley released the album 'The Candidate'. From the age of fourteen/fifteen, to currently nearer seventy than sixty, I've 'voted' for each person, persona and band!

In January 1976 Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel released an album track entitled, 'White, White Dove' and in October 1975, Roxy Music released an album track called 'Nightingale'. "...lead, I'll follow on..." Day and night, their respective melodies and words, will periodically re-enter the remainder of my own lifetime.

Jem
April 2025
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Viva the sounds and words of: Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel!

Viva the sounds and words of: Bryan Ferry & Roxy Music!

For me, inseparable greats of British and European cultural life. Harley and Ferry always loved and respected both zones, as do I.
Last Edit: 2 days 13 hours ago by Jem 75. Reason: Minor edit and quick parallel(s) - 19 April 2025
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'They said go West'...The Harley & Ferry parallel 1 year 1 month ago #13267

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Life is too short. To restrict oneself (as I did) by saying, 'never again', would reveal something of the obsessional neurotic. Continuing then (Ha! maybe continuing reveals something of the obsessional neurotic);


"European maids, hard to ignore" (Steve Harley, 1974/5)

"...She's gonna make it, she's got what it takes" (Bryan Ferry, 1974)


Perhaps Steve reads some of (our) threads or posts? If he does, from time to time, it's my view, that, to make him smile, would be good, during (for him) this difficult time, yes?! :)


Currently, I would take the view that female pop music artists, are 'outdoing' the male artists (there are still some great men 'doing it'). You know who they are, but here's a few examples;

Sia, Pink, Taylor Swift, Holly Humberstone, Adele, Dua Lipa, Marina, Mabel, (was also a fan of her Mum, Neneh Cherry, plus crush on same :blush: it was great meeting her, in 1996), Gabrielle, Little Simz, Anne-Marie, Jess Glynne, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Miley Cyrus, Zara Larsson, Sigrid, Katy Perry, Florence Welch, Jessie Buckley, Georgia, Lone Lady, Aimee Mann, Kate Bush (always present, veteran though she is), et al.

'Back in the day', there seemed fewer(?) A change is (absolutely) as good as a rest...

8 February 2025 EDIT - It's been bothering me for a while that I didn't also include Halsey in the females above and now I've put that right. A great artist, for me. Now, another big talent for me and right now, becoming increasingly fashionable amongst her crowd, Lola Young. A healthy state of affairs but who will be the next big male or group?


Danke sehr,

Merci beaucoup,

Muchas gracias,

Mange takk,

Wielkie dzięki,

Grazie molto,

...

Erg bedankt,

Many thanks.

Have a good weekend :)

(Edit plus one, I had to add references to Neneh Cherry and Gabrielle)
Last Edit: 2 months 1 week ago by Jem 75. Reason: Halsey and Lola Young expressly fine artists too
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'They said go West'...The Harley & Ferry parallel 1 year 1 month ago #13268

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For both Steve Harley and Bryan Ferry, Cockney Rebel and Roxy Music, respectively, were not their first bands. Steve put some time in with Odin and for Bryan, The Banshees and The Gas Board, were precursors.

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EDIT 06/03/24 Back in June 2023 came the news that Steve had sold his intellectual (music) assets;

www.steveharley.com/latest-news/1072-ste...ssets-the-times.html

It's been recently announced that Bryan Ferry has sold 50% of his catalogue to the Iconic Artists Group.
Last Edit: 1 year 1 month ago by Jem 75. Reason: Ferry treads a similar path to Harley (song rights)
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'They said go West'...The Harley & Ferry parallel 3 months 1 week ago #13294

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13 or 14 January 1981 (Roxy), rainy night in Manchester (can't give precise date as my tickets are buried under a pile of other stuff) AND 19 December 2022 (Rebel), rainy night in Cheltenham. 'Gee, ain't it funny how time slips away?' (W. Nelson, covered by Bryan Ferry on the album 'Another Time, Another Place, 1974 LP - I have the slightly later Polydor version).

Two of the most fundamental gigs, for me, the forty one years and some, spanning the first time seeing and hearing one of my two main pop musical heroes and the last time seeing one of my two main pop musical heroes (Ferry's site has removed all references, at least for the moment, any referencing to touring, he may or may not change his mind, after all he is 79 years old now...)

41 years and similar feelings of excitement pervaded, yeah, in one sense, it has seemed like a timeless flight, we only have now, like the birds...

I should have been with Jacqui at Roxy but we'd split up only days before the gig and my older brother came with me instead. It was great to see his face as the venetian blind (huge) started lifting...
I didn't see Jacqui again until, by chance, a few years ago, she appeared on 10 years Younger (Channel 4) with her husband, who was the subject of the feature...It made me smile! All the best to you both!

At Rebel, at last, in the presence of Stuart Elliott, a brilliant drummer, the rest of the last version of the band were great too and best of all, Steve and I shared a few moments gazing at each other during the encore, we were all, having fun...

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Last Edit: 3 months 1 week ago by Jem 75. Reason: credit added to 'Funny How Time Slips Away'
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'They said go West'...The Harley & Ferry parallel 3 months 1 week ago #13295

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Jem
Thank you for your posts.
I’m glad you are keeping this site going.
I wish more would come back and use it.
It’s here for everyone with so much we all remember. The gigs and get together s that unfortunately won’t happen anymore.
Strangely I went to a Roxy tribute on Friday.
Was so good. We all sang backing vocals on Avalon as he didn’t have any females on stage.
Keep posting.
Alexa
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